Homemade Podcast Episode 9: Aarón Sánchez on Mom’s Mole, Late-Night Quesadillas, and Home-Cooked Sopa Seca
Get to know Chef Aarón Sánchez, a rebel with a (respectable) cause.
Sánchez shares these stories and more on episode nine of Homemade. His conversation with friend and host Martie Duncan covers barbeque hacks, the three ingredients he always keeps on hand, and the podcast he’s launching with his mother. Plus, he reveals the five-ingredient recipe that works as a marinade, dipping sauce, and vinaigrette. Download it for free at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and anywhere else you listen to podcasts beginning July 22.
About Aarón Sánchez
With a New York City restauranteur as a mother, Aarón Sánchez grew up around food. Confident in his potential, she arranged for 16-year-old Sánchez to work under Chef Paul Prudhomme at his New Orleans restaurant. Since 2001, Sánchez has appeared on TV series like Throwdown! with Bobby Flay, Iron Chef America, and The Best Thing I Ever Ate. He’s perhaps best known for co-starring on Masterchef and Chopped. A third-generation cookbook author, he has written La Comida del Barrio; Simple Food, Big Flavor; and a memoir, Where I Come From. He owns Johnny Sánchez in New Orleans, where he works as chef.
MARTIE DUNCAN Welcome to Homemade from Allrecipes. I’m Martie Duncan. Every week on this podcast we celebrate the idea that some of our favorite family dishes have really interesting backstories. And today, I’m talking to a chef who can trace his culinary history from northern Spain to Mexico to New York City and then New Orleans, where today, his restaurant, Johnny Sánchez, combines Mexican flavors with New Orleans-style hospitality.
You may know James Beard Foundation Award winner Aarón Sánchez from everybody's favorite show, Food Network's Chopped, or maybe from Fox's MasterChef, where he teams up with British chef Gordon Ramsay as a judge on the popular competition cooking series. His latest book is a memoir with recipes, of course. It's an inspirational look at his life, his food, and his family. It's called Where I Come From: Life Lessons from a Latino Chef. Aarón, welcome to Homemade.
AARÓN Thank you so much. Always a pleasure to see you, darling. And to hear your voice. It's a big hug when I hear you. You know what I mean? So, I'm so happy that you have me on.
MARTIE I am so happy to have you on, too. You know, you're one of my favorites. And we have had some fun together doing cooking shows. You're just a party. You're happy. You're so much fun. So I want to start with, like, some personal questions before we dove into the cooking. How about that?
AARÓN I'm OK with that. I'm an open book, darling.
MARTIE OK. Well, let's start with the obvious. I've seen a picture of you with no shirt on with, and you got like a million tattoos. How many do you have?
AARÓN Well, it's not really about as many as I have. It's more about the experience. I've been getting tattooed over 20 years. And I started it just because I've always had a rebel nature to me. I've always wanted to go against the norm.
AARÓN And yeah, exactly. Believe it or not. So the tattoos were a way to express myself, whether through my family or my culture and just cool imagery. That's really what tattooing is all about. So it's funny now how it's become so cliche that to be a young cook, you have to have a bunch of tattoos.
MARTIE That's true.
AARÓN I guess I was ahead of the curve.
MARTIE Now, which one was your first tattoo?
AARÓN Well, I had one on my back to honor my dad who passed away when I was about 13, 14 years old, and it was just something real straightforward and simple. His name and maybe a crucifix or something like that.
MARTIE And then which one is your favorite?
AARÓN You know I have a bunch of my son. I have his name on a couple places. And then I have one cool one on my leg that's his birthday: March 3, 2011. So I have a little baby rattler, like a rattler like the old school.
MARTIE So most tattoos are celebrating your family, your love, your passion.
AARÓN They're a really good reminder of what you've been through, where you're going. It’s an experience. You know, I mean, it's as much about having the hang. You know, I mean?
Some people like going to spend two hours in a hair salon or whatever and talk and all that good stuff. When I go to a tattoo shop, that's how I feel about it.
MARTIE All right, you're also known as a music aficionado. And I know you always got music going What does your playlist include?
AARÓN Well, I am a mixed bag, darling. So I love me traditional mariachi music, the ranchera stuff to kind of get everybody going. But then I love old-school '80s music 'cause that was my era like yours.
MARTIE Oh, no, mine might have been a little — back mine just up a little bit. I'm '70s all the way. All the way. I'm a '70s girl. I love that '70s music.
AARÓN I hear you. I like that, too. And I got, you know, like Portugal the Man. There's an artist named Amos Lee, who I really love, from Philadelphia.
MARTIE I love Amos Lee.
AARÓN I'm also a Texan. You know what I mean? So I love country music, as well.
AARÓN Yeah, I own cowboy boots. If you get cowboy boots, chances are they were made in El Paso.
MARTIE Now, that's something I did not know.
AARÓN Yes, ma'am.
MARTIE All right, now, here's a good question for you. You have a private plane fueled up and waiting for you on the tarmac, ready to go anywhere you say. Where are you going?
AARÓN Ooh. That destination changes quite a bit. But as of recent where I want to go desperately is to go to Northern Spain, to the Basque Country, and visit where my ancestors are from.
MARTIE Oh, really?
AARÓN They're from a little town called Bilbao. They made their sort of journey through the Caribbean back in the day and into Mexico. So I would love to come and visit my ancestors in Spain.
MARTIE I want to go with you.
AARÓN Yeah. Honey, don't worry. You know, we'll have a ball. We'll go together.
MARTIE All right. Yeah, that sounds amazing. I really didn't know that your ancestors were from that region of Spain.
MARTIE That's pretty fascinating. And it's a huge culinary area, the Basque region of Spain.
AARÓN Absolutely. They have these wonderful, this cool culture of male supper clubs, where all the men get together and they all cook together and drink cider, sidra, and cook octopus with simple on the grill. And then they have all these beautiful old traditions up there in the northwest of Spain, which is really cool.
MARTIE I love that. I wish there was more of that here. That's fascinating. Where the men get together, fire up the grill to sit — just the men — and talk.
AARÓN And kick back. Yeah. They all talk. You know? And it's a good time.
MARTIE So we're getting to grilling season right now. What would you throw on the grill if you're having a backyard barbeque for family or friends?
AARÓN So, right now, if I were going to throw something on the grill, I'm going bone-in rack of short ribs. Low and slow, get back into my Texas roots, and go that route with some Texas beef.
MARTIE Walk me through the preparation on that. Do I marinate it? Do I just—
AARÓN Dry rub. I'm one of those people that don't like to put salt on my rubs till I have to cook.
MARTIE I noticed that.
AARÓN Yeah. The salt will pull up the moisture. If you want some dry ancho chili powder, tons of fresh cracked pepper. Maybe some more of those little sort of aromatic spices like fennel and then maybe a little bit of cumin. Like have fun with that because a short rib can take big flavor.
MARTIE Then you do your dry rub. Have it at room temperature and then put it on the grill, low and slow. For what? Twenty minutes per pound or something like that?
AARÓN Yeah, just about that. Now you have like the Green Eggs and the Traegers and all this good stuff out there that can allow you to be very economical with how much charcoal you're spending. That's the one thing that people need to kind of understand is that, yeah, you buy a Big Green Egg and it's pricey, but you end up saving the money on the charcoal on the long end.
MARTIE I never really thought about it that way. But that's a good point.
So, due to the coronavirus, COVID-19, everybody is at home and cooking a whole lot more than we typically allow ourselves time to do. I know you've also been out helping the farmers. Will you tell us a little bit about what you've been involved with during the lockdown?
AARÓN Yeah, so basically I was out here shooting season eleven of MasterChef, and then the circumstances obviously made us stop. So we kind of got through half of the production. And then, I took it upon myself to quarantine with me and my uncle, you know, Tio and my family. And so I ended up spending about two months out here in Los Angeles before I came back to New Orleans.
So, during that time, we have great connections with family restaurants here in Los Angeles. And then we figured out that we can go out there and visit with farmers and bring food to them as a way of saying thank you to them. ‘Cause they have been an essential lifeline to all of us throughout this whole time. The farmers have not stopped, by the way.
AARÓN The reason that you go to the store and you purchase, people are still working.
MARTIE I think it's maybe the last group of people we think about as being on the front line, but in terms of our supply chain and getting food to us, the farmers are in the front lines.
MARTIE So I appreciate you saying thank you and going out into the farms and taking care of those folks. So thank you for doing that.
AARÓN Yeah. You know, and for me, I never look for accolades or a pat in the back. That's not me. I'm very humble, and that's not my style. One of the things I would ask people that follow your show and all the things that we do — the only thing I would ask you guys is support our restaurants. Come over there and spend money. That's all I need you to do. And that's the biggest thank you you can give us and our team.
MARTIE Well, for those of you who've never been to Johnny Sánchez, let me tell you what. It is an experience. It is so much fun. Aarón's fun anyway. So, you know, his restaurant would be fun. But it's serious food, serious flavor.
MARTIE You've got the spirit and the heart of New Orleans.
AARÓN Yeah. And I want to be clear, for people that are trying to get their head around what we do at the restaurant. We're not a Mexican-Louisiana restaurant. So, it's not like I'm putting, you know, shrimp etouffee tacos on.
AARÓN That's not what we do. We're a traditional Mexican restaurant with modern technique, utilizing the best ingredients possible. But what we do is we utilize Louisiana products, obviously. And what we bring to that is that awesome sense of Southern hospitality, which is undeniable and is the best in the world. You know? Putting other people's needs before yours, fulfilling that, and that giving you joy? That's what hospitality is.
MARTIE You know, people may not know this, but you have a long history with New Orleans way before you started Johnny Sánchez. Tell me a little bit about your experience with Paul Prudhomme.
AARÓN Yeah. You know, I alluded a little earlier with the tattoos about my father sadly passing very young. As a young man, I kind of reacted poorly to that and was incorrigible and rebelled and maybe wasn't doing the right things. And it's all very well documented in my memoir, Where I Come From, so hopefully, y’all can pick that up.
But I was looking for direction. I was looking for guidance and mentoring. My mom made a call to Chef Paul Prudhomme, who they had become good friends, and said, "Look, I got this boy with potential, but he needs to get right. We need to break him down and build him back up."
So I got sent to New Orleans at 16-years-old for a summer and it was literally culinary boot camp and life boot camp. And then he became, obviously, my mentor, but a father figure. And then I came back when I was 18 to live for a year. And that's where I got bit by the bug of New Orleans.
MARTIE Yeah. So let's talk a little bit about your memoir. I love the story about your mom making the mole. Can you tell our audience a little bit about that? That's so charming and such a sweet story and a sweet food memory.
AARÓN Thank you for saying that. You know, my mom and I are just we just started our own podcast — not competing with yours, darling. OK? But it's gonna be on Heritage Radio. It's called Cooking in Mexican from A to Z. So my first initial, Aarón, and my mom's name is Zarela with a Z.
AARÓN So we're gonna cover all different ingredients in the Mexican vernacular and world. And then what we're going to do is teach people about how to use the ingredients. Give them some background and then pepper in a bunch of stories.
So one of them is the mole that you alluded to. So, I remember back in the day, early '80s, we used to go back to El Paso and Mexico and we were like ferrying ingredients back. We were like chili mules. You know what I'm saying?
MARTIE Yes, I do know.
AARÓN Because we couldn't get the ingredients in New York City. So my mom would kind of charge us with going there, visiting with the family, and then we would bring back ingredients with us.
MARTIE Let me just make sure people understand that. Your mom had a restaurant in New York City. She's quite a legendary restaurateur in her own right. So she's not just a cook. She was a restauranteur.
AARÓN Yeah. I mean, we had the restaurant for close to 30 years. And you got to remember, my mom at that time, people had no idea what Mexican cuisine was all about. They thought it was all about like cheesy, crappy combo platters and all that. But my mom was really making a very concerted effort to elevate the cuisine. And subsequently, she had a beautiful run of almost 30 years with her namesake restaurant called Zarela’s.
MARTIE In New York, right?
AARÓN Yeah, in New York City. I imagine that: being a single mom, a pair of twins. You know what I'm saying, twins? Five-thousand dollars to your name. Going to New York City and putting all of it on yourself.
MARTIE She's a force of nature, you're saying.
AARÓN Yeah. And that's why I'm very — I gravitate towards strong women, like yourself, obviously. And women that handle their business, because I just identify with that so much. Because I have my mom as an example.
MARTIE We'll have more with Chef Aarón Sánchez right after the break.
Welcome back to Homemade. I'm Martie Duncan. And today, I'm talking with Chef Aarón Sánchez.
Tell us that mole story, if you don't mind.
AARÓN So my mom — we lived in this little apartment building. Kevin Nealon, for all you old schoolers, that was on Saturday Night Live, lived in our building.
And my mom started to make mole. And part of the process is toasting the chilis and kind of extracting the essential oils. It ended up being a complete s--- show, smoked out the house and the building.
People evacuated the house, thinking that there was a fire. But in essence, it was just my mama making mole. So we're out there sitting in our pajamas looking at the building and people are like, "Oh, my God, what's going on?" We're like, "Hey, y'all. We're just making mole, not a big deal." You know what I mean?
MARTIE Hey, Kevin Nealon, we're just making mole up here. Don't worry about us.
MARTIE That is such a great story. What is your favorite food memory or your favorite recipe from growing up with your mom?
AARÓN I have so many. I think there's the stuff that my mom did at the restaurant, which I love and still a big part of my life. But for me, when I wanted some home cooking, and what dish that I craved, it was a dish called sopa seca, which translates to dry soup.
And basically what it is, is you take like, you know, fideo or alphabet pasta and then you would toast them with some olive oil, kind of get it nutty. And then you would add a puree of roasted tomato, garlic, onion, and cilantro. After you roasted it, then you would puree that and add that to that to that mixture of toasting pasta, and then you would add stock. So you're almost cooking it like a risotto.
MARTIE Like a risotto. Yeah.
AARÓN Yeah. So you'd add stock so they get it nice and soupy but has that texture. And then at the end, you just finish it with great cotija cheese. And it's like this warm, comforting, risotto, pasta-like dish.
MARTIE Ooh, that sounds so good.
AARÓN I'll make it for you, darling.
MARTIE OK, I'm gonna take you up on that one for sure. So when you get together with your family now, what does your family crave from you?
AARÓN I tell everybody — because, you know, I have a big refrigerator or whatever — I said, "Look, we got Post-its. So if y'all want something, y'all just write it and put it on the Post-it. And when I come and get my coffee in the morning or whatever and go work out, I'll go look at it and be like, OK". And it's funny 'cause I'm always like, all right, let me see all the different post-its.
One of them lately has been — because we're in this situation — a lot of one-pot dishes. So my whole thing is, I want to make sure that we're not having no food waste. So I'm buying things whole. So I'm buying chickens whole. I'm buying fish whole. I'm taking the bones and making stock. And then making soup. So, everything that we do, we have to be more attentive and considerate to the way that people are living right now.
MARTIE Tell me a little bit about like, say, for example, you're gonna make me a one-pot chicken dish. How would we start that?
AARÓN I think it's a bad move to find a recipe and go to the store and buy the ingredients for that recipe. Why? Because inevitably, you buy too many ingredients and you have waste. Because you have to do this particular thing. So, what I do is, I have a whiteboard in my house right by my kitchen, and then I put down proteins. So I'll put pork chops, hanger steak, fish filets, shrimp, la la la. And then I'll do another area of vegetables, you know, turnips, butternut squash. Then I'll do legume or starches, lentils, rice, whatever. And then sauces. And then what I do is then I'll start to take all those different categories and make dishes at home.
MARTIE So, I was reading your blog earlier and you had some really good tips for the home cook on your blog. And there was a few surprises in there for me. You need to rinse the canned items? I never knew that.
AARÓN Also, you know, if you open a hot sauce — this is just me. I don't put it in a dry cupboard. I put in the fridge.
AARÓN Because you've broken that seal.
AARÓN So it needs to be kept at the right temperature. So those are some little tips, I would say to everybody.
MARTIE So you just said the word can, which reminds me every time I hear it, it makes me think of you because you always say you're a Mexi-can. What? How did you get that catchphrase?
AARÓN I'm a Mexi-can, not a Mexi-can't.
MARTIE I got it.
AARÓN So it's all about making it happen. You know what I mean? People that know me know I'm always in a good mood. I'm always willing to give somebody a hug. Well, right now, maybe a six-foot hug.
AARÓN Yeah, a little elbow. But for me, I'm living a blessed life. I never thought when I started this that I'd have such an impact in people's lives. So I feel it's my duty to make sure that I'm always in a good mood and taking care of myself and feeding myself with information so I can continue to grow and help people out. You know, and that's one of the big things that I try to do every day when I wake up and have little missions. You know what I mean?
MARTIE I know that you are a big influence in the Hispanic community because you show people what's possible, but you take it further than that. You have a foundation that you started to help provide scholarships. I'm so impressed by that. It's just something I really admire that you're doing. Tell us a little bit about the Aarón Sánchez Scholarship Foundation. Let our listeners know a little bit about what you're doing.
AARÓN I felt — when I started cooking 25 years back, whatever, even more than that, but I felt — there was a disparity between leadership roles in kitchens of people of Hispanic descent. And as I started to grow this platform and be able to reap a lot of the benefits of hard work, I wanted to make sure that I gave back to the industry that has been so generous and impactful in my life. So I started thinking about, what is the most important thing? Planting seeds. Education. Making sure that we're prepping the next generation to succeed. That's the biggest gift we can give.
So I wanted to start identifying young talent, making sure that they have the resources and the education and the foundation to succeed. Because I didn't want there to be any excuses as far as them excelling along the ladder. And if a culinary education was something that was required for young Latinos to succeed, then I'm going to provide that.
And apart from getting the best culinary education, which is an 11-month program at ICC in New York City, who have been fantastic partners for me since 2016. We have about 10 kids enrolled. We're going to probably put another three in this year. Apart from the education, we also get access to real-life experiences.
They're getting hands on and then they get access to this unbelievable network of peers and chefs and people that I know and respect and admire so they can start making good decisions about where they want to go.
MARTIE So something like what Paul Prudhomme did for you, you're trying to do for them?
MARTIE I got it. So you're paying it forward that way? I think that's just so important. One thing you said, I know a lot of you listening, maybe have kids who grew up watching a lot of food television and maybe are talking to you about a culinary career, maybe not your first choice for them. And as people in the industry, we realize it is a lot harder than it looks on television.
MARTIE What advice would you give to parents whose kids are asking them to go to culinary school?
AARÓN One of the things that I would say would be, don't be afraid to tell your kids the honest truth. Just because you go to culinary school and you spend $30,000 a year — be realistic. You're not going to come out of there and be a chef. You're going to have to still pay your dues. So I think that's one thing that needs to be expressed.
AARÓN The other big thing I think culinary schools need to do a better job of is, you should be able to major. So you go to a culinary program, you have six months of the basics, training, foundation, flavor, stock, sauces, the whole thing. Then, I feel like you should be able to major in what area of food service you want to get into.
You can be a personal chef. You can be a recipe developer. You can be a food stylist. You can be a caterer. You can be like what you do and put on events, with a culinary point of view. What you should do is be able to be specific about what area food service you want to go into. Because inevitably, what ends up happening is, young people are discouraged when they go to work in the kitchen. They're working 12 hours a day for very minimal money and doing something monotonous and benign. So, that's what I would suggest. Just be real with the expectations.
MARTIE One thing I've heard you say in the past, and I think this is a really important thing, too: Go work in a restaurant first.
AARÓN Yup. See if you like it.
MARTIE A lot of people don't have any clue what it's like to work in a restaurant. And it is a lot harder than you think it is.
MARTIE So, as a home cook who tries to be creative and do something for family and friends that is interesting and different and not my same old Southern specialties, which everybody loves, but, you know, you want to mix it up a little bit — teach me one Mexican dish that I can cook that I've probably never made before.
AARÓN Oh, that's a good one. Well, I'll give you a flavor profile. How about that?
AARÓN It's a little hard to kind of teach it. I think the one thing that you could potentially do is my second cookbook, Simple Food, Big Flavor, there's a recipe that I have called Chipotle Love. And basically, it's roasted garlic. So you take garlic cloves, you kind of confit either in cloves. You know, like a whole big head that you roast in the oven wrapped in foil and, etc. Or you can just take peeled garlic cloves putting in olive oil, cook on the stovetop.
Once that confit's cooled down, puree that with the residual oil with half a can of chipotle in adobo, a handful of cilantro, lime zest. Puree that, and that is the most epic marinade. You can add mayonnaise to that and more lime juice and make a little dipping sauce. You can use that as a vinaigrette. So that would be my one little technique I could give y'all. The Chipotle Love. Five ingredients, and you'll love it.
MARTIE That sounds fantastic. I am curious. If you could go right now — because we have some restrictions and we're really not going like we used to — but if you could go to anyone else's restaurant right now, no matter where it is, where would you go and what would you order?
AARÓN See I'm boring. I go to the same damn restaurants all the time. 'Cause I just know what I like, you know what I mean? Right now — oh, Lord. Lord, Lord, Lord. Well there's a restaurant, New York City called Lupa. I go to this restaurant and I have the same thing every time. I go and I have an escarole salad with a little bit of shaved pecorino, red onion, and toasted walnuts. That'll be my first course. Then I'll have my cacio e pepe. So pasta with just a little bit of black pepper and cheese. And then I have this beautiful dessert that's called tartufo, which is basically like ice cream that's been rolled in the chocolate ganache that has a bunch of toasted nuts on the outside. It's like there's a little balm of just ice cream goodness.
MARTIE I want that. I want that whole thing. I want that whole thing. Aarón, tell me, what is your guilty pleasure, that one craving that you cannot deny?
AARÓN Well, for me, it has to be the late-night quesadilla, okay? Always have good Mexican cheese in my house. Cacique is the company I've been with for over 10 years. They're one of the biggest leaders in Mexican food brands in the country. So I always have good tortillas. I have great cheese and salsa in my fridge. So I'll get home from work late. I'll make a quick little quesadilla. And that's my guilty pleasure.
MARTIE You know, I make those a lot, too. Use my cast iron skillet for that. And that makes a great quesadilla.
AARÓN Oh, you ain't lying, honey. Anything can go in there. And I'm gonna tell you, my cast iron skillets — I have a couple of them, but they're the most coveted things in my kitchen. I bet they're yours too, no?
MARTIE Yes. My mother's cast iron skillet that she got when she got married, I still have it. I use it every day. It is 60-something years old. And it's so worn that the ring, the circle on the bottom of it, is absolutely just burned off. It doesn't exist anymore. It's that old.
AARÓN I love it.
MARTIE It has been used that much. I'll show it to you one of these days.
AARÓN There's a great tradition in Mexico is when you have a young bride to be and she's about to get married, the older woman in the family would give that young bride to be a molcajete. Like a beautiful old mortar and pestle of volcanic rock. And that would be passed to the young bride as a way of saying, "I've cooked great salsas in this little mortar and pestle. This is for you."
MARTIE That is so lovely and so wonderful. I would be hard-pressed to give away one of my skillets, but maybe I'll — well, I don't have any children, so I would be hard-pressed to give away one. But I will say, you've given me an idea. I think I'll get a couple of extras and start seasoning them up good. And when my nieces get married, have those to give to them. What a great idea. Thank you for that.
MARTIE Aarón Sánchez, you are a joy and a pleasure. Thank you so much for being with us today on Allrecipes' Homemade podcast.
AARÓN Thank you, darling. Big hug to you, OK?
MARTIE Big hugs and you all stay well. Love you.
AARÓN All right, darling.
MARTIE Aarón Sánchez’s new memoir is Where I Come From: Life Lessons from a Latino Chef His website is ChefAaronSanchez.com. You can find him on Instagram @ChefAaronSanchez and on Twitter @AaronSanchez. And the next time you’re in New Orleans, be sure to stop at his restaurant, Johnny Sánchez.
Coming up on the next episode of Homemade: the one, the only, the godmother of soul herself, Ms. Patti LaBelle.
PATTI He said, "Patti, hi, it's Reggie." I said, "Oh, hi, Reggie." I said, "What's up?" He said, "I want you to come to my show tonight." I said, "Who are you opening for?" He said, "I'm Elton John now." I said, "What?"
Anyway, we recorded a song at the Red Piano in Vegas. After we were finished, I said "Elton, here's your rings." He left them on the piano. He said, "That's for your Tupperware." Instead of giving me back Tupperware, he gave me a diamond.
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